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[00:00:53] Elizabeth Smart: Hello, everyone, and welcome again to another episode of Smart Talks by the Elizabeth Smart Foundation. I am Elizabeth Smart, and today I'm so excited to have Nicole Holgreen here with me. She is the Program Director at Bridle Up Hope. And if any of you have ever read, um, my second book, Where There's Hope, I had the opportunity to interview Rebecca Covey, who is one of the founders of Bridle Up Hope in honor of her daughter, Rachel.
And Rachel's story really resonated a lot with me because she was close to my age. She played the harp, just like me. She loved horses, just like me. I mean, we would have been at some of the same music camps, I'm sure our paths probably crossed because Rebecca and I were talking, she's like, "Oh yeah, we were there." And I was like, "Really? How did I never meet you? How do I not know you?" But just as she talked a lot about Rachel's story and who she was, it just sounded like someone that I would have adored. And Rachel's story, I mean, to be brief about it, because I could probably spend a really long time talking about it because it's she just sounds like such a sweet, amazing, wonderful person that had such a tragedy happen to them. But out of all of that has come this incredible organization, Bridle Up Hope. But Rachel, she was incredibly sensitive to a lot of medications and whatever medication that she was put on, she would always have the side effects from. And she was having some struggles with some mental illness. And she came to her mom one day and was just like, "I don't like taking these medications. It doesn't feel like me." And the next thing she knew, it was a few days later, it ended up that Rachel was dead.
And how heartbreaking it was for the family. But Rachel had made an effort to reach out to her friends who had always been struggling and she'd take them horseback riding to try to boost them up, just help them feel loved, help them feel like they could make it through whatever they were going through, to help them know that they weren't alone.
And so in honor of that, Rebecca Covey in her family created Bridle Up Hope and now Bridle Up Hope is this amazing organization that I have known for many years now and I've supported for a long time. And I'm so, so excited to have Nicole here to talk a little bit about, more about what they do and some of the resources that they have available and kind of how their program goes through helping these young girls, it's teenage girls typically that they work with. And I won't go into it cause I want you to answer it. But Nicole, thank you for joining me. Thank you for, for being a part of Bridle Up Hope and taking the time out to share a little bit more about Bridle Up Hope today.
[00:03:46] Nicole Holgreen: No, we're, we're so grateful to be a part of this and, you know to collaborate on different things here at Bridle Up Hope we just are honored to be a part of your podcast. So yes, we do, we have a girls and women's programs, so we start at ages 12 to 18 for our girls program. And then we have a women's program for 18 and older.
Our girl's program is an hour and 15 minutes. Each week they come to our lesson and then our women come for two hours, quite honestly, just because us as women, we talk longer.
[00:04:18] Elizabeth Smart: And the lessons are with horses, it's it's equine therapy based.
[00:04:23] Nicole Holgreen: Yes. Yes. So it's a three-part program. So the first part is a girl, her instructor and a horse. And so they come and they do their lessons one-on-one, we don't do group lessons here they are all individual. Cause usually when our girls come here, they're going through something difficult. Whether it's something as simple as, you know going into junior high and just finding them. So, and taking, you know, that moment to, you know, find confidence.
That's a hard time, you know, that we all can understand that, that age and you're finding who you are and you're maturing and friends and school, and COVID is definitely added some, you know, additional struggles to that. I'm seeing a lot more girls who are anxious about getting back out socially and just, the isolation that they become comfortable in isn't healthy for some of those girls who were more kind of introverts. And so the anxiety definitely has increased quite a bit with that younger demographic. So they come to the lesson, we have 18 horses here at our outplant location now. When we initially started, our founders, Rebecca and Sean Covey, Elizabeth said, you know, they started this program in memory of their daughter, Rachel, who had passed away due to depression and anxiety.
And, you know, as they were trying to find a way to turn such a tragedy into a positive, you know, they, they started to look at her two beautiful horses, Kokomo and Tarzan. They're two Tennessee Walkers that are still working here at this location. And that started, you know, the program started in 2012, and so, you know, as they incorporated the Seven Habits for Highly Effective Teens or People, depending on whether it's women or girls program, and it just took off, you know, we went from, you know, I started here back in 20 18. And we had about 15 to 20 lessons a week and we're at a hundred lessons a week now here at our location with, you know, we had three horses and now we have 18 and it has just become a haven for so many.
So when they come for a lesson, they'll start with their instructor. And a lot of our girls are super nervous when they first get here. Sometimes it's just even coming for a lesson can be, you know, everything they have in them to get to the barn, to be with their instructor. Some of the girls, even when they come for their initial barn tour will be in tears just because they're so nervous and they're scared and it's something new and it's new people.
And so they create this incredible mentoring relationship with their instructor. And it's beautiful to watch. So when we receive an application from a woman or a girl, we look at our staff and our instructors and they're all different ages, different backgrounds, different strengths and weaknesses.
Then we pair them to someone who would be the best mentor for them. I have, you know, incredible instructors who are in their sixties all the way down to, you know, twenties. And so they will work with their student and they become, it's a huge support. I call them girls builders because that's what we do here. We build the girls. And I think, especially with teenagers, they're at a stage in life where they're supposed to start gravitating toward their peers. And oftentimes we'll have conflicts with parents, whether that's just from, you know, they're, they're maturing and they're gravitating toward peers instead of parents. And, you know, every parent wants what's best for their child. They do. But sometimes it's just to have an outside resource that can help and, you know, someone other than their parents just telling them, you know, here's some options.
And we're a little different than equine therapy, which is more doing talk therapy while on a horse. We don't have clinical staff here, psychologists or therapists. We have riding instructors who are certified in teaching the seven habits. And they do that through these incredible horses. I call them 1100 to 1600 pound objects lessons, which I just love. And it really, it helps to take their guard down too.
I think if we were to sit in the classroom and talk about, you know, how that one is being proactive and you're gonna learn how to take charge of your horse, take charge of your life, I feel like they wouldn't internalize it quite as much, but when you're talking about setting boundaries with a horse and you're doing groundwork and you have this big animal, who's saying, you know, I, my ears aren't on you because I don't see you as the person in charge, I see the instructor is the person in charge. And then the instructor coaches this girl and says, "you know, how are you standing? You know, your shoulders are, you know, down and the horse can tell that you weren't confident. And so he's not taking you serious. How do you show this animal that you're confident?"
And that looks different for every, every girl. You know, some of them are able to find their confidence really easily and to start to stand up straight and, you know, take charge of the horse. And it's beautiful to watch these girls as they find their confidence because these horses are mirrors. They're reflecting, you know, to them, what is going on inside. And so if they don't feel confident, the horse picks up on that. And so they'll turn their hind in toward the girl when they're doing groundwork and around it, which is in hose body language, that's a form of disrespect. And so you watched the girls like, "oh, why did he do that?" "Well, why do you think he did that?"
And the girls are like, "I don't know. He knows that I'm not confident." And so how do you show him stand up straight and you'll watch the horse's ears immediately as the girls start to stand up straight, they kind of turn and look at the girl as they start to, you know, do the groundwork and use the training stick correctly, the horse starts to listen. And by the end of it what the horse will do is it'll actually come into the girl. This is something that's very instinctual with horses. It's not something that they're trained to do. Our horses of courses are, are very safe and our trained horses. But you could do it with, you know, a wild listing.
You'd want quick feet because they're pushed back will be a little more that these girls find, you know, they're talking about the horse, but they're learning about themselves and their confidence. And it's beautiful to watch. So again, the first part is the seven habits and or the first part is the instructor and the girl.
And the second part is the seven habits for highly effective teams. And so they're just life skills. They're the Seven Habits for Highly Effective People is one of the most foundational, impactful life skills program ever created which was written by Stephen R Covey who is Rachel's grandfather.
He had actually passed away three months prior to Rachel. So it was just a very difficult time for the Covey family as a whole trying to find, you know, they were going through several losses at once and trying to turn that into a positive thing. And so they decided to incorporate the seven habits and it really is beautiful to watch.
We have a graduation ceremony that we call Advancement Ceremony at the end of the girls program. And I had one of our students who was speaking at that ceremony and she said you know, "when I, Nicole had asked me to speak at graduation, I thought I was going to tell you all the horse's names and what I love about them, because I came to ride horse. I didn't come to to do seven habits," you know, which is common for a lot of our girls. You know, the horses are definitely the frosting here and, you know, come to be around the horses and the animals and, and the rest is, you know, incorporated in. And she said that as she was going through, you know, I asked her to speak on the life skills, the 7 Habits, the, the horses and her instructor. And she said, "you know, as I read through the habits, I realized that you guys had sneakily woven them into me, like a tapestry. They have become part of who I am and how I live my life. And I didn't even realize it was happening. I thought I was just there, you know, playing with horses," which is beautiful.
It's just beautiful. And her mom's like, those are her words. I, I did not say this and here's this beautiful 16 year old who came here, you know, not as confident, not as hopeful as she wanted to be. And she said just in the simple moments in life, whether it's in peer pressure situations or, you know, even in the home, you know, when family members aren't getting along, she's like, I found that I started referencing the seven habits in my life.
And she's like, I couldn't tell you what order they go in. I can't tell you specifically, you know where this habit would apply, you know, have it saved supplies on this stage? She goes, but I, I just know the habits and they're part of who I am, which I thought was such a beautiful thing.
And then the third part of our program. So one of our goals is to have our girls keep coming back. There are so many programs and things, you know, you do a soccer camp and then it ends, or you do a cheer camp and it's over. And even if it was, you know, incredible, you know, it ends. And so we really wanted something that our girls could be a part of forever if they chose to be. And so we have service hours that our students can come and be a part of. Where they get to muck stalls, they get to see the horses. And it's in the evenings on weekdays and then in the mornings on Saturdays. And they're able to socialize with other students. We have service leads on every shift that help build the girls up and teach them how to take care of horses.
And, you know, with, with 18 horses, it's quite the endeavor. I
[00:13:14] Elizabeth Smart: I mean, yes, I had my own horse for a while and they are a lot of high-maintenance.
[00:13:21] Nicole Holgreen: For sure, for sure. And so they get to be a part of that. And then while they're doing that, they get to meet other girls, which a lot of them, especially right now, just coming out of, you know, COVID and having a lot of things closed in schools and they're lacking connection.
We're finding that a lot of our students are trying to have connection through whether it's social media or it's through texting, but not one-on-one interaction with other people. And that's just not something that is filling that void for them, that connection. And some of them are, or, you know, It doesn't come natural to them making friends, which is okay.
Just to have something in common immediately with girls and to have, you know, supervision where it's a healthy environment as well. And then there's yoga classes that we've incorporated as well. The girls can come in and do yoga classes after service hours. We have incredible certified yoga teachers who volunteer their time and come and give back to the students and it helps them to learn, you know, the seventh habit is sharpening your saw. And so the girls learn to check in with themselves. Cause I feel like as women and girls, we kind of always have this little vibration of anxiety. We pretend like it goes away, but it really doesn't. It's always there.
And you know, when our families are going through situations or we experience change that that fluctuates and everyone is so individual in, you know, mental health, you know, we've all gone through. I know that in my life, I've had times where I feel like my life has gone out and I needed, you know, people and resources to realize that.
And then you know, our girls come to yoga and they're able to check in with themselves and say, you know, I need to take time for myself. I need to see how I'm doing. And you know, where I'm at and where my anxiety's at. Cause sometimes I feel like we wait until it's a problem before doing self care.
And so we really want to give our girls additional resources. So they know, you know, you know, yoga helps me to stay in a better state of mind. Being outside in with animals helps me to be in a better state of mind service, you know, when you're doing things you know, for somebody. You really can lose yourself in service.
And then we also have art classes for our girls program where they're able to come and be a part of the barn and do art classes. Cause when you're using the creative side of the brain, they've done studies where the heart rate can actually lower. And even some of our girls who are maybe more anxious, they've already started to gravitate that direction. They've already started to, you know, they like to draw or they, they don't understand the science behind it, but they know that they feel better when they're doing it. And so as the girls come, they do these art classes and these yoga classes, and we're soon going to be adding you know, self-defense classes as well that the girls can be part of. Cause that definitely has a role in building confidence that as they attend these classes, we keep track of their hours here. And when our women, our women can just do 10 hours and then they earn riding lessons. And then our girls, after they've done an initial 14 hours here at the barn they're able to every 10 hours that they come and do art, yoga, service, soon to be self-defense classes, they, we keep track of these hours and every ten hours they earn riding lessons in addition to the 14 that are part of their program or the women who have seven that are part of their program, they earn additional riding lessons. So our girls can be part of the barn and continue to come back with whatever it is that's going on in their lives.
It's really beautiful to watch how you know we've worked with the first lady Abby Cox and she has one of her pillars, and we've had students who've come through foster care and this has become a resource for them. And, and some of them don't even have a consistent home. So the fact that we're a home away from home for so many with some of our foster children, that takes a completely, you know, very realistic, you know, it's a home away from home and sometimes, you know, they're only consistent. And they're able to keep coming back and to watch how the seven habits enter people's lives and meet them where they are. So whether if they're, you know, just, you know, dealing with self-confidence because you know, our mission here is to inspire hope, confidence, and resilience and women through equestrian training and through the seven habits.
It meets them where they're at. So I have students who you know, are just lacking confidence and a little insecure. And I have students who have been through things as traumatic as sex trafficking. But whatever it is, the seven habits we'll meet them where they are. And those life skills naturally will help to improve, you know, negative behaviors or negative beliefs or, you know, help them to, you know, some of, some of our family situations aren't ideal either. And so these girls, you know, go home and they're working through different environments and different situations, and they're able to have additional tools that help them be more successful because each of them are individuals. You've got to figure out what works best for you to keep you sharp, whether it's, you know, the courses or the, the art classes or, and some of them gravitate to other things.
You know, some of them are like, you know, I'm going to come to every single art class that I can. And some of them just love, love the service hours cause they get to be with the horses. But it's beautiful to watch how it impacts each life. I had a school counselor who called a few days ago and they said, you know, "what is your tutoring program there at Bridle Up Hope?" And I'm like, "tutoring program? We don't have a tutoring program here." And she said, "well, one of our students said that her instructor helped her to, to graduate from high school." And I thought, "oh, well, let me tell you what we do here." And I explained to her, you know, we help the girls develop healthy life skills. And so it naturally.
They're struggling in school. Those life skills would help them there. Whether it's, you know, an eating disorder, I've had several girls who are kind of working through eating disorders, who that's helped them kind of overcome that, I've had women who have come, who you know, are going through postpartum or they've had a child.
And they're depressed, which, you know the standard is, you know, you're supposed to be super happy. You just had a baby and it's supposed to be this bonding moment and to feel like they're alone and, you know being depressed or not in the right state of mind there. And just having somewhere that they can go and just be who they are, where they're at.
I found Bridle Up Hope years ago when I was going through a divorce that I did not see coming, it can come out out of left field, then my kids were struggling incredibly hard with not having a dad in the home at the time. And I found that what I thought reality was. and what reality actually was, was not the same thing.
And, you know, I always thought as so many people do, you know, I thought divorce is something that happens to other people, not me. Right. Thanks.
[00:20:07] Elizabeth Smart: These don't happen to me. They happen to other people. And then when it happens, it's, it's a shock.
[00:20:13] Nicole Holgreen: Yeah. And there's shame around so many of these things, you know, whether it's divorce or it's postpartum, or it's the fact that you have things it in social situations, or if you've gone through a horrible trauma of some kind, you know, I feel like there's so much shame.
And just to be able to come somewhere where there's not that, you know, I came and I learned the seven habits and I was able to, during that time be a better mom for my own children. You know, I have a 20 year old and a 22 year old and You know, sometimes you think, you know, focusing on yourself is selfish.
But it actually makes you a better version of you for those, you know, whether it's in your job or with your children or, you know, your spouses or whatever, you know, relationships you have, it helps you to be. Who you need to be in those situations. And for me, it really helped me to be able to, you know, be a good mom and to help them get through things.
It helped me to go through one of the hardest times I've experienced in my life. And to be able to find hope. So many people come here when they're feeling hopeless. And just to be able to be okay. That was something that I had an incredible instructor instructor. Her name is Cindy Powell. And when we sat down, I remember just feeling like this is the first time that I've felt safe and able to, you know, say what I'm going through. And to have someone who would just hear me and then these incredible horses, I, I wasn't the little girl who always wanted her own horse, you know, Rachel's dream was to have a horse and she saved up money.
And, you know, Sean doesn't even like horses, John Covey, and he has 18 of them now, but his daughter just had this passion, you know, her Rachel and her sister, Victoria, they just always gravitated toward horses. And their youngest sister, you know, Allie Covey as well, she, she rides here and has a beautiful horse and you know, they've always found that bond with horses, but that wasn't me.
I wasn't a horse person. I remember when they were saying, you know, to clean the horses pose, I was like, I'm going to get maneuver on my hands. I'm like, I, do you have gloves and they're like, you just get on your hands and brush it off. And like, why in the world, but they must have been raised different than me. I don't get poop on my hands. And just to have these incredible animals who are, you know, they're so large. And so you have to have a certain confidence while you're working with them. And to also be able to, you know, when we're talking about the horses and the confidence that they're, they're seeing your confidence, but you're talking about the animals.
So it's not as, you know, hard for you to be like, "okay, This horse isn't taking me serious because of I'm not showing confidence." So you're thinking about the horse and you're not realizing that you're, you're looking at yourself through the horse. And even when I was writing, you know, just learning to breathe and you know, when the horse wasn't listening, because I was anxious, you know, okay. Let's take a minute, take a deep breath, listen to the horse. Where's your position supposed to be? Are your heels down? Are your, and we have girls come at all different ability levels. We're on 128 acres here. So the girls are able to go on trail rides with their instructor. You have several arenas. They can jump up to two feet if they get to that level.
And so we really teach a lot of equestriantraining here. So if the girls continue to earn lessons, they can also be challenged while they have a community. And that's around them and supporting them. And our women have women's service hours as well. And they're able to, you know, find connections with these. A lot of them end up being like, how can I be more, a part of this? Can I be a service lead and help the girls program and the women's program? And how can I, you know, help this move forward? Because every wins. You know, healing here.
[00:23:55] Elizabeth Smart: And I just think that your, I mean, your mission statement, it really says it all, you know, hope, confidence, resiliency.
And that's something that I think speaks to everyone. I mean, male or female, I think we all need a little bit more of that. I mean, especially after coming out of the last, what, 18 months, like a lot of people have gone through some hard, tough times. And so we need that hope and, and especially women or minority groups there, there needs to be more confidence.
I mean, like you're amazing people. You're incredible people. Like if only you could see you the way the rest of the world sees you or the way your family or your friends, see you. You'd be so much more powerful. And resiliency, I think that is, there's nothing more resilient in my opinion than the human spirit, but it's hard always to see that side.
And I mean, whether you like it or not, we all have challenges and you think, well, okay. I mean, I know I've definitely been guilty of this. I'm like, okay, well, you know, I went through my kidnapping, I survived it. Like, yeah. Life should be smooth sailing. Now there should be no challenge. That is a challenge for me now,
[00:25:13] Nicole Holgreen: Yes.
[00:25:13] Elizabeth Smart: But there's still, there still is.
And so I think having these, having that those three pillars in your life of hope, confidence and resiliency is so powerful. And just, I mean, really going back to everything that you've already said, I mean, talking about, you know, like understanding the groundwork and building that confidence because you're right.
I mean, I grew up around horses as well. And the horse, I mean, when I was, when I was little and I was scared of them, I mean, I didn't outwardly say I was scared because, yeah, I wasn't embarrassed to say that. And I wanted to be myself all the time, but yeah. Really finding, figuring out that I needed to have confidence or else the horse wasn't going to listen to me.
And if they're not listening to you, it can be dangerous. I mean, they're not little small animals. They're not dogs, they're not cats. I mean, you know, they're 1100 pounds. They're, they're bigger than that even. You know, if you're not, if you do not lay those ground rules, if you are not safe, then you're risking yourself.
And so you have to be, but I also, I know this is me getting carried away, but I'm going to get carried away for a second.
[00:26:27] Nicole Holgreen: Fantastic.
[00:26:29] Elizabeth Smart: But I really do believe that there is something so magical about horses because we get caught up all the time. And you know, how we look, what we've achieved in our life, what our job is, or how we're doing in school or what we want to be when we grow up or we get, I think it's very easy to get sucked into.
I mean, even social media is a perfect example. How many likes do I have, or you know, how many views on this, or is this going viral? Oh, there's a mean comment. Why would that person think that? I mean, there's 99 nice comments, but there's one mean comment and you can just be sure to be guaranteed that you will remember that one mean comment over all the 99 nice comments, but there's something so magical about these horses because they don't care. They don't care what your job is or what you look like. They don't care, like, what you posted on social media. They don't care necessarily what your history or your past is.
I mean, I know for me when I first was rescued and I was at home, I feel like a lot of people really didn't know how to act around me because they didn't want to hurt my feelings or trigger me. So it always felt like they were walking on eggshells around me. And it was always just so refreshing to be around horses because they didn't care what my history was.
[00:27:48] Nicole Holgreen: They don't know your story.
[00:27:49] Elizabeth Smart: Or my past. They cared about right here and right now. And was I someone that they could respond to or was I someone that they could quite literally walk all over? And exactly what you're doing is, is so powerful. And I think it's, it's amazing. And I've, I've been a huge fan of Bridle Up Hope and I will continue to be a huge fan of Bridle Up Hope because of, I mean, of what you're doing, what you're giving to, to women and to girls.
And, and I know you said it's not equine therapy, but in my mind, all of that, it is equine therapy because how can you go through that and not be changed? And how can you not walk away having learned something. And, and in my mind, I don't know. I guess that to me is the definition of therapy learning learning about yourself, growing, realizing you're stronger than what you thought you were.
Like moving forward with your life, hopefully for the better, I mean, isn't that the goal of therapy anyway. So I just, I so admire everything that you do. And I just, I think you're powerful and for everyone listening I know Nicole's already said it, I mean, and it's not specific to, we only deal with anxiety.
I mean, she said, you know, they've had people, girls come through who've been trafficked. They have girls come through who've dealt with eating disorders. They have girls come through who are dealing just with anxiety. I mean, they really open it up to anyone who wants to come. Any girl, any woman that wants to come that struggling.
And that is incredible. So if you are struggling, if you feel like this would be beneficial to you, make sure you go online, you check out their website, it's bridleuphope.org, is that right?
[00:29:36] Nicole Holgreen: Yes, correct. And we have a women's and girl's program. I have had generations come and do the program together where I have grandparents who I had a 72 year old call, and she's like, can I ride? Is that ok? And I'm like, yes, I love that you want to. That you are continuing on growing. And then her daughter came into the program and then her two granddaughters came into the program and they each did it individually for themselves, but then they got together as this incredible woman, like empowering group.
Yeah. Also just to teach girls how to treat each other as well. I think, you know, schools can get mean and girls can be unkind to each other. And so to have an environment where we build each other, we don't tear each other down. And just because, you know, our friend is shining, it doesn't make us shine less.
We shine brighter together. And that's something we really teach here is being a part of something that's beautiful and healing. And the Coveys have been such an example of just taking something, you know, it could have been very defeating as a family to have something so tragic happen. And, and we also talk about how there isn't a trauma or a situation that isn't valued where they are, because Rachel is a very good example.
You know, she had great resources. She had incredible family support system. She had people who loved her, you know, she could dream it, she had people who had helped make it happen and she's not here. And so just to take everyone's situation and how they're feeling, whether they're discouraged over something simple.
Like I had a student who came in and had been cut from her cheer team and felt like it was the end of the world for her from outside perspective, you know, you're like, oh, it's you have your whole life in front of you. It's just your cheerleading team. You're fine. But for her it was everything. And so just to validate each other's sorrows and to be like, you're okay where you are.
And you know, even their own paradigms. I feel like as women and girls, we have these expectations of where we're supposed to be at certain milestones in our life. You know, you graduate high school and you immediately need to get married and immediately have children and immediately, you know, know what you're going to do and your career and your life.
And, you know, sometimes we find ourselves later in life and not meeting. Points and getting down on ourselves and feeling like we just aren't enough. And just to let them know you're okay. You're okay. Where you are and just giving them resources to continue to move forward is, is kind of our goal here.
Well, I love that. Yeah.
[00:32:11] Elizabeth Smart: So everyone makes sure you go check out www.bridleuphope.org, if you want, I mean, support them. If you feel like you want to apply, be sure to apply because they're incredible and they're amazing. And I love them. And for everyone else, I hope you feel like you're not alone, whatever you're going through.
I mean, I think Nicole said it, you know, we all struggle. We all have expectations that maybe we didn't hit, or maybe things changed. You're completely validated in feeling however you feel. And you have, there are resources in this world and you don't have to be alone going through all of that. So thank you so much, Nicole, for taking the time to talk to me today.
Thank you to everyone For listening and for being a part of this podcast, be sure to comment and tune in next week for another episode. Thank you so much to everyone and God bless all of you.